pull down to refresh

You dont think people posting content posturing and virtue signalling that they are Bitcoiners 100% supportive of adoption or even claiming they are 'living on The Bitcoin Standard' who in reality refuse to attach and show attached LN wallets are hypocrits?

10 sats \ 8 replies \ @anon 20 Apr

No. Why do you think that? A person that uses Lightning daily, even in a self-custodial manner, simply may not be using something with support for an API that SN integrates with, such as NWC; or the user may simply not want to give SN such privileges. That is, they may prefer to manually perform each transaction.

An SN gun or lack thereof serves no purpose as a shibboleth. Shibboleths themselves are daft. Stop disparaging your fellow users and Bitcoiners, and instead participate in the conversations or don't, but resorting to silencing people just because they lack a certain meaningless badge beside their name is senseless.

reply

Anyone can attach and use coinos wallet on SN with great ease and at very low cost.
There is no KYC involved.
There is no risk to privacy- it is a simple easy way to use LN and support the network.
Some virtue signal in their words about Bitcoin adoption but are not consistent in their actions.
They are hypocrites.

reply

And what if a person simply doesn't like Coinos? What if the UX is unsuitable for them? Why should everyone use whatever tool you deem sufficient and necessary? Will you tell me to use Thunderbird rather than Evolution as my email client next? You don't know every person's situation, needs, preferences, and desired/acceptable trade-offs, so please do not dictate courses of action to complete strangers without first understanding their circumstances. We have the luxury of choice; allow people to choose.

Additionally, even if your preference/recommendation is suitable for the person you are talking to, they may simply currently not know about it. For example, I am a UK resident but only found out about Revolut X and its much cheaper fee structure recently; prior to that, I almost ubiquitously recommended Kraken Pro to UK residents that are willing to trade with KYC. If the person that informed me about Revolut X had called me an idiot or a zealot or a hypocrite or whatever else for simply not knowing about the existence of a better alternative, or for preferring Kraken because it's Kraken and Kraken is not to be trusted, then they would have been committing a ridiculous act, because they would have been senselessly disparaging me whilst simultaneously giving me no useful information about why they have their opinions.

Do not chastise people without warrant. Give your conversational partner the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Instead, take every opportunity you have to inform, educate, and teach.

With you being a self-professed staunch Bitcoiner, I would hope that you know all too well about the importance of proof above all else. "Don't trust; verify" is a maxim for a reason, and you should take care to apply it properly. Assuming good intentions until proven otherwise, rather than assuming bad intentions until proven otherwise, is one such sane application of the maxim.

reply

Don't trust- verify means 'do not trust or assume good faith- ever'

Instead expect and demand evidence rather than believing what people claim without any verification.

reply

Such as claiming they are hypocrites?

reply

Largely unrelated to the current dialogue but Yes!

When someone is claiming to be a Bitcoiner but does not actually use Bitcoin as a P2P payments protocol in reality, they are a posturing virtue signalling hypocrite.

It is verified when they admit they can't be fucked attaching LN wallets because its 'too hard' or because 'CCs always work'.

reply

I've already given perfectly sane reasons why someone might not have a linked Lightning wallet, whilst still being sovereign. I've also explained that it's improper of you to presume that all Bitcoin users should event want to have completely sovereign control of their funds anyway. There are perfectly legitimate use cases for Bitcoin whilst not having completely sovereign control of funds. If you still choose to ignore such realities despite them being highlighted to you, that's your prerogative.

You also seem to have misunderstood my comment. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't shout "hypocrite!" without having irrefutable proof of hypocrisy.

reply

Apparently I was logged out when I sent this, but just to avoid any accusation of hiding behind the name "anon", the above comment was posted by me.

reply

Thank you for your transparency.
Please see my reply below.

reply

Nah. Those are two totally separate things! Hiding the horse/gun is a personal choice, gotta respect that. Not attaching a wallet doesn’t mean they don’t support LN, it just means they use LN less on StackerNews. Buying CCs and withdrawing sats is still done through LN.

reply

Hiding horse and gun why???
Personal choice for what reason?
They are hiding the proof that they only talk about using LN and Bitcoin but are in reality minimising their use of LN and sats- why should anyone respect that???

There is no good reason for concealing your wallet status except hiding the fact that you are a hypocrit.

Why would a true Bitcoiner not be happy to show they are not all talk but walk the talk?

Without showing attached wallets there is no PoW that they ever use the LN- they can and do just arsemilk sats...almost never using the LN or sats.

The vast majority who conceal their wallet status only ever had a receiving wallet attached meaning they are happy to take sats others contribute but they are not ever using sats to send V4V to others.

I have asked several of them to show their wallet history graphs- they all refuse- because in truth they are parasites and hypocrits claiming to be Bitcoiners but not using LN and not using Bitcoin except to extract sats from the SNs economy.

I am quite happy to show my wallet history graph as it demonstrates I have contributed sats to the SNs economy- but none of them will...including @Darthcoin and @denlillaapan.

reply

Everyone’s got their own reasons. I respect people’s choices without judging. Me? I hide it as a form of protest. As for the rest, I’m not even gonna get into it, that’s just opinions territory, and you don’t have solid data to back up what you’re saying.

reply
1 sat \ 5 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 27 Feb -102 sats

You have consciously sided with a group who virtue signal about BTC adoption but demonstrably minimise their actual use of Bitcoin here on SNs.

You cannot explain why they want to hide their LN wallet status...but you have hidden your wallet status to support them.

Makes sense only if you are desperate to be part of 'the group' regardless of reason, logic and principles.

Reminiscent of 'Lord of the Flies'.