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I don't see how there is a misunderstanding here. Your prejudice simply isn't compatible with my experience. Which is good because even though you exclaim that I must be rude and inconsiderate, I don't wish for you to make the same mistakes I made.
So go ahead and rule the world ek. It's wide open for ya. Do it better than I did. Do it better than anyone ever did before.
@remindme in 50 years to ask @ek after how many languages he gave up.
Ok, here's everything you got wrong:
isn't compatible with my experience
Did you consider that maybe your experience is not my experience, as I described in this post with examples?
you exclaim that I must be rude and incosiderate
I said I would consider you, in the moment of conversation, rude or inconsiderate. I did not say that's how you must be in other contexts.
in 50 years to ask @ek after how many languages he gave up.
You're assuming I will live in many countries for many years to learn many languages, which is very far from what I said.
No, that's not what I claimed. I think one misunderstanding is definitely that we don't have a misunderstanding, lol. Anyway, no need to continue this thread, we can just forget about it. I wanted to make a meme of the two of us staring into an abyss (this thread), but I couldn't find a good one, so you'll have to use your imagination
I'm going to drive you crazy now and say that I disagree with this too. haha.
Fwiw, I'm pulling your leg a bit because of your audacity to put a judgment call on a difference of opinion. I just disagree with your rationale. And I do so because I was once very much thinking what you're thinking, and then put it to practice. And failed.
Opti gave up at the 6th language. And I think 14 came after where I didn't try to master it, but just focus on the essentials. Because it didn't feel sustainable anymore. Right now I'm in a place where, when I try to speak the local language (to a young person), they switch to English because its the better language between us. That's what I mean with "common language". Whatever is the least sum(pain over participants). I think that that is in the end the only practical and sustainable solution, because it will naturally flow there, unless participants are out of principle refusing to converse in a foreign language. Most often, even in France, you can be successful by trying, failing, and finding a middle ground, and no one thinks the less of it.
So do you agree with the people who say that immigrants should at least try to assimilate more to the culture of the countries they migrate to?
Good. And I think it is fair to believe both one way or the other. (That immigrants are under no obligation to assimilate vs. they are.)
I just get annoyed when somehow you get called a racist for suggesting that immigrants should try to assimilate.
Either we have a misunderstanding again, or I would consider you rude and/or inconsiderate for having lived in a country for many years and expecting the people you talk to to speak English, even when it means they struggle more in a conversation in their own country than you do, when you’ve had plenty of time to learn their language.