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"There's no bad publicity" theory.
This. They should just implement #1432463 and return yaml on /r/.
I have this on some of my rest services and it saves me tokens because now the bot doesn't have to write a python script to read shit, as everything works straight. And you can still sell the top results because every bot will curl -o && head
Yea I'm kind of excited about this sort of thing, Amazon is retarded for blocking clankers and not just doing this.
It's probably a 3rd of my thesis for Bxrd re: nostr
UI's are dead: #1051310
I think you are pretty spot-on with a lot your observations here. And my general attitude (spoken as someone who never has to deal with infrastructure...) is bring on the scrapers.
Chicken-egg problem, reddit afaik doesn't have any value-add to warrant charging to post.
Maybe I'm too far down the SN rabbit hole, but I can easily believe that the cost to post is the value-add. It's just not very moatable -- although considering that nobody but us seems to have made it work, who knows?
Pay-to-post is the shallow end of the pool, the "what" that ignores the how and the why
I don't think I follow this.
the cost to post is the value-add
thats ignoring the how it creates value, it's up or downstream of something
Perhaps the value added is curation, or amplification, or access... but its nothing by itself. It's a cog in a system.
It's just not very moatable
Google ad-words is pay to post, they have a great moat through their distribution.
considering that nobody but us
Don't get too high on your own supply, Yall's was probably busier at it's peak than SN has ever been... and that's purely because its the place for people looking for an excuse to pay with Lightning, which is extremely niche and speaks nothing to the mechanics of whether paying-to-post ads value.
SN carrying that torch, where Yall's was basically just a side experiment and not a product, is evidence there's enough people interested in playing with Lightning to create a niche community around that.
Pay to post exists in a number of forms already, not just the ad-words example, but even things like patreon and substack are selling poasting with various value-adds.
There's been plenty afoot here specifically of late that indicates the opposite of your theory, that pay-to-post is little more than a metric in a larger web-of-trust and needs to lean into WoT more because pay-to-post has too many problems even here #1574022
I don't think I follow this.
Every question or solution has a what, a why, and a how. Pay-to-post can only be one.
Doesn't quite make sense to me as they put it, I think they're just coping with the death of an old model they haven't updated.
Serving reads is relatively cheap and scales horizontally.
If clankers etc are reading stuff you host, some percentage of those clanker operators are going to create an account on the site. "There's no bad publicity" theory.
So this implies it's not about costs or new signups, but metrics that are somewhat arbitrary in the first place, what counts as an active user.
Users, perhaps otherwise registered already, are probably by-passing login to lurk via clanker and not counting. So this seems to be geared towards making lurking count toward DAU
Anonymous lurkers presumably make each ad served less valuable to the advertiser, but clankers drive up reads so you ultimately serve more ads. This I'd think this should make it a wash, make ad serving cheaper but do it 10x more... perhaps there's some exponential value with targeting we don't have insight into?
Chicken-egg problem, reddit afaik doesn't have any value-add to warrant charging to post.
If they started charging to post, there would be less posts, which runs contrary to their moat of network effect/being a corpus. Less posts erodes their lurker count, making posting there even less valuable. Doom Loop.
Pay-to-post is the shallow end of the pool, the "what" that ignores the how and the why. Can reddit say the poster is paying for curation? identity? data to construct the post more effectively? Not as constituted, I think they're simply trapped and are in the phase of squeezing out whatever value they can of posts that were made in a by-gone era.