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I woke up to see this and other mention of Clancey in that crazy shitcoin zapfest quote. FYI, I don't downzap as a rule, and I haven't tried to censor the Clancy story from my territory. It's weird there hasn't been a mention, now that you bring it up.

Personally, I haven't followed it too much. I was a criminal lawyer for more than 35 years. For some reason I never wanted to watch or read about trials in the news. I don't know why. I still have never watched a single episode of any of those Law and Order shows.

I'm also very biased. I was always a defense lawyer representing people being attacked by the government. I have seen the lies and bullshit that goes on, just like in any government bureaucracy. I can't help but look at it from a defense lawyer's perspective. In New York that case would have been settled with a plea to some lesser included offense which would have involved jail time and or mental health confinement.

That being said, the system worked here. One juror was pretty powerful.

Regarding the territory, post away! I'm sure you can get a lively discussion going, and I promise not to downzap.

I spoke to a retired clerk for a federal judge in Santa Ana, which is a Latino shithole btw... she said victims have no rights, only criminals have rights, the system only cares about defending criminals. The day she retired was the happiest day of her life

It's called the criminal justice system for a reason, only justice for criminals and no one else

edit: and btw, Miranda was found guilty of rape, his confession was not necessary, Maricopa County retried him without his confession, still guilty, big surprise

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112 sats \ 8 replies \ @siggy47 10h
retired clerk for a federal judge in Santa Ana

Strange. The federal conviction rates are extraordinarily high. Check out this article:

https://www.legalcamp.org/blog/doj-conviction-rate-federal-statistics-and-guilty-pleas/

Not only that, but it appears the statistics show the conviction rates are even higher for violent crime and drug crimes. The overall stats are pulled down by higher acquittal rates in white collar prosecutions (not many Latinos in that demographic.)

I would have another sit down with that clerk to get the story straight.

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Have you been to Santa Ana recently? 1980 doesn't count

edit: when is the last time you were in a federal courtroom? mediation and arbitration don't count

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604 sats \ 6 replies \ @siggy47 9h

What is your point? Your friend is all upset about the system with a 95% conviction rate that gave her a useless make work job for which she is receiving a cushy pension paid for by the taxpayers. No wonder it was the happiest day of her life. She's a bureaucratic leech. As for federal courts, I spent a lot of time in many, in front of a former US attorney general, and in front of a current Supreme Court Justice.

But I don't defend the system. I hate it. I'm more anarchist than statist. You're the one who wants to give the government more power if you're whining about the system not being tough on crime.

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my point is you are biased in favor of career criminals and that you haven't been inside a courtroom in 30 years and your anecdotes are grossly outdated

How many of your clients were truly innocent?

edit: actually there are ways to be tough on crime without government assistance, vigilante justice

have you noticed vigilantes are prosecuted more harshly than actual criminals?

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93 sats \ 4 replies \ @siggy47 7h
you haven't been inside a courtroom in 30 years and your anecdotes are grossly outdated.

I retired in 2019, and still appear in court a few times a year.

I'm not going to keep arguing with you. I'll just say the system is more flawed than you might imagine, and understandable questions like "how many of your clients were innocent?" aren't as simple as they seem. There's no doubt most of my clients were guilty, and they were punished fairly, usually with a plea bargain. There were some that were innocent, and it was satisfying to see them freed. What is really upsetting though is that the government rarely, if ever, will acknowledge a mistake. Either you have to get found not guilty at trial, or actual proof of innocence (usually DNA evidence) must exist. Check out the Innocence Project to see how many wrongfully convicted people have been freed by DNA evidence. Most defendants are overcharged - a trespass becomes a burglary, assaults become attempted murders. It happens every day. It is really an economic transaction- plea bargaining is like any bargain. You ask for more than you expect to get, and the other side asks for less. The two sides come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.

The Clancy case was set up to avoid any chance of a bargain, which supports @jimmysong and @justin_shocknet idea that this is a psyop. I'm not going that far.

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The Clancy case was set up to avoid any chance of a bargain, which supports @jimmysong and @justin_shocknet idea that this is a psyop. I'm not going that far.

Ugh, hadn't heard the psyop point of view, and not sure if I want to

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50 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 7h -100 sats

Rule 1, if every msm outlet and moms on tiktok are talking about it for weeks on end, it's a psyop.

Why would I post, when I can whine about other people not posting?

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that's the benefit of living in wetback republic

@Undisciplined you have no opinion on Clancy case because your wife has post partum depression?

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I don't think the case requires much commentary. Killing your kids is bad. People who support it are deranged.

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Yes sir... all those sick women who came out defending her on social media should also be prosecuted.

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The right to be a jerk is one of the most important to defend.

If it's not Clancey's fault, though, then her prescribing physician, pharmacist, and/or drug manufacturer should be facing charges.

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The right to be a jerk

You reminded me of this meme:

"Everyone has the right to be an idiot, what I don't understand is this obsession with breaking records."

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that's a copout because she was a nurse

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205 sats \ 15 replies \ @bief57 15h

@Bell_curve He’s acting insufferably; he has the attitude of a 14-year-old who isn't getting any attention. I don't know how he is with you guys, but he attacks me over everything absolutely everything I write. I’ll just say "ª" and somehow he tries to stir up trouble over it; it’s even worse when he tags me in posts or comments that have nothing to do with me. And now I see he’s bothering @siggy47 , too. Seriously, he needs to get a life.

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10h -150 sats

Moving back to Venezuela is child abuse, you are an unfit mother, frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you killed your children after all homicide is a way of life in Venezuela

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10h -150 sats

what is the over/under on when you kill your children, I think it's a daughter but i really don't give a fuck

What is the value of life in Venezuela? 100 pesos?

1 sat \ 12 replies \ @Bell_curve 10h -180 sats

go fellate yourself

you are a terrible mother for subjecting her to life in Venezuela

your posts are insufferable and smug and arrogant and repetitive

GO FELLATE YOURSELF

I hope your life is excruciating fucking cunt bag wet back

I can't wait to hear about a woman killing her children due to post partum depression

443 sats \ 3 replies \ @justin_shocknet 13h -1000 sats

I think @jimmysong nailed it in calling it a psyop to get more women into the state healthcare/pharma apparatus. It's too stupid and got too much play to be anything else.

After I saw Jimmy's post, this story hit a day or two later... basically confirming his thesis.

https://abcnews.com/Health/wireStory/massachusetts-governor-proposes-improved-postpartum-healthcare-after-lindsay-136473206