pull down to refresh

Even the postmortem contains 99% bullshit on X / screenshots from monologues broadcasted on YT. On the tweeter it's all one/two-liners of exponential escalation and doubling down, on YT it's all conspiracy theory. The few articles that are posted aren't seeking dialogue and on GitHub there was no discussion either. Mailing list posts are more announcements than discussions.

We're never going to resolve any differences this way, but we shouldn't forget that we need total, exclusive consensus to stay whole. We can afford a whole bunch more forks, especially of this size, but at one point we will have to ask ourselves: what's left?

nah, we need a good round of purging once in a while. Slaying heroes, etc

reply
47 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 16h

Agreed, but remember that you need growth on the other end of that. We're seeing some degrowth in the solution space right now, 2 tribes forking off, lost an alternative implementation, ragequits to AI... if there's only things being chipped off the whole, then growth has to happen before there is nothing left.

I personally wouldn't mind a smaller, more focused community. There are plenty fronts where things are constructive still and it's ok for now. However, do note that the loudest people on the side that was pestering the BIP-110ers for lulz are not among the constructive ones either, yet they nearly all have their pet BIPs themselves.

reply

Fair; we're not growing... Which, I think, is actually_why_ we see this incessant infighting

reply
104 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 15h

"Bear" market blues? (Even though this isn't even a bear market yet, my spends only hurt twice as hard as at peak, lol)

reply
180 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 23h

This

reply
56 sats \ 3 replies \ @adlai 18 Aug
we shouldn't forget that we need total, exclusive consensus to stay whole.

simply wrong

try raising children like that and you'll wake up dead

reply

Do you mean it is wrong that it is so, or do you mean that I am wrong because it is not so?

reply
127 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai 18 Aug

is "the tree of liberty must be ..." about bleeding "tyrant", singular, or simply general advice about survival as a thinking species?


Do you mean it is wrong that it is so, or do you mean that I am wrong because it is not so?

I refuse to climb further out on this twig, because you @optimism seem to think "we" has a self-evident interpetaton, in the context of "diistributed multi-member signature" CRDT politics, i.e.

articles that are posted aren't seeking dialogue
... and on GitHub there was no discussion either. Mailing list posts are more announcements than discussions.

We're never going to resolve any differences this way, but we shouldn't forget that we need total, exclusive consensus to stay whole. We can afford a whole bunch more forks, especially of this size, but at one point we will have to ask ourselves: what's left?
reply

if a tree is designed to be "of liberty" in a way that codifies that you're either in or out, does "must" require any advice?


"We" is simply the body of people that interact with Bitcoin in this whole situation, that make choices towards what Bitcoin is and isn't. People need consensus to interact through the network, because if you disagree with your counterparty (also if this is a custodian) about the consensus layer, you won't be able to transact directly.

reply

"arroyo" might be a good word to introduce into the soup

reply