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This is a very lengthy article. @lopp has clearly been saving some receipts. It's a bit if an exercise in beating a dead horse, but if that's your thing, you might enjoy it.

275 sats \ 10 replies \ @optimism 14h

Even the postmortem contains 99% bullshit on X / screenshots from monologues broadcasted on YT. On the tweeter it's all one/two-liners of exponential escalation and doubling down, on YT it's all conspiracy theory. The few articles that are posted aren't seeking dialogue and on GitHub there was no discussion either. Mailing list posts are more announcements than discussions.

We're never going to resolve any differences this way, but we shouldn't forget that we need total, exclusive consensus to stay whole. We can afford a whole bunch more forks, especially of this size, but at one point we will have to ask ourselves: what's left?

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nah, we need a good round of purging once in a while. Slaying heroes, etc

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47 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 2h

Agreed, but remember that you need growth on the other end of that. We're seeing some degrowth in the solution space right now, 2 tribes forking off, lost an alternative implementation, ragequits to AI... if there's only things being chipped off the whole, then growth has to happen before there is nothing left.

I personally wouldn't mind a smaller, more focused community. There are plenty fronts where things are constructive still and it's ok for now. However, do note that the loudest people on the side that was pestering the BIP-110ers for lulz are not among the constructive ones either, yet they nearly all have their pet BIPs themselves.

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127 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 2h

Fair; we're not growing... Which, I think, is actually_why_ we see this incessant infighting

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104 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 2h

"Bear" market blues? (Even though this isn't even a bear market yet, my spends only hurt twice as hard as at peak, lol)

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180 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 9h

This

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56 sats \ 3 replies \ @adlai 14h
we shouldn't forget that we need total, exclusive consensus to stay whole.

simply wrong

try raising children like that and you'll wake up dead

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Do you mean it is wrong that it is so, or do you mean that I am wrong because it is not so?

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127 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai 13h

is "the tree of liberty must be ..." about bleeding "tyrant", singular, or simply general advice about survival as a thinking species?


Do you mean it is wrong that it is so, or do you mean that I am wrong because it is not so?

I refuse to climb further out on this twig, because you @optimism seem to think "we" has a self-evident interpetaton, in the context of "diistributed multi-member signature" CRDT politics, i.e.

articles that are posted aren't seeking dialogue
... and on GitHub there was no discussion either. Mailing list posts are more announcements than discussions.

We're never going to resolve any differences this way, but we shouldn't forget that we need total, exclusive consensus to stay whole. We can afford a whole bunch more forks, especially of this size, but at one point we will have to ask ourselves: what's left?
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16 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 13h

if a tree is designed to be "of liberty" in a way that codifies that you're either in or out, does "must" require any advice?


"We" is simply the body of people that interact with Bitcoin in this whole situation, that make choices towards what Bitcoin is and isn't. People need consensus to interact through the network, because if you disagree with your counterparty (also if this is a custodian) about the consensus layer, you won't be able to transact directly.

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2 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 14h

"arroyo" might be a good word to introduce into the soup

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Previous Bitcoin forks all OFFERED something of economic interest such as increased throughput / lower fees / more functionality. BIP-110 only offered purity / morality / removal of functionality and LESS fees for miners.

a pretty neat summary I hadn't even considered... yeah, obviously it failed... had no economic weight AND didn't even bring anything new/improved to the table!

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for no reason other than to troll these block space Karens.

Lol 😆


This is like a Tarantino movie 🎬 you can skip through it, or watch every second

And then you can rewatch it and get a bit more each time!

I am in a bit of a quandary tho, weren't we supposed to reject all these bitflooencers, and Lopp is quite a famous influencer, but this is a brilliant hit piece and he obviously knows a bit about Bitcoin and it's history


My infatuation with Paul Sztorc's HF, makes me think that, everyone thinks they can make Bitcoin better, reading Lopp makes me think, even with billions of dollars to bankroll a superior version, you just can't


The bip110ers really did fafo

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422 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai 7h
weren't we supposed to reject all these bitflooencers, and Lopp is quite a famous influencer,

please try just rejecting "cancel culture" wholesale, rather than stereotyping some guy just because he got a millenial techbro beard for his avatar and ruled public opinion for sixteen minutes of blame

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🙏

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349 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 22h

Writing this must have been a cathartic experience for him, just like reading it was for me.

The main question I still have: Was BIP-110 avoidable? Did we just witness human nature, or did the medium of most exchange, the internet, something I called a resentment machine in one of my journal entries, cause it for the most part?

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Was BIP-110 avoidable?

How specifically do you mean that?

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19 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 8h

Not very, I think. My question is less about BIP-110 specifically and more about how we can discuss controversial ideas without throwing virtual shit at each other again, with everyone and their mom taking a side, including me.

For example, I must admit, I forgot there are usually more than just two sides to a debate. It became very black and white. And I def think less of everyone who supported BIP-110. I considered keeping receipts, but I didn’t.

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What led you to react that way? I never particularly cared who supported what.

I did stop following people on both sides who routinely made bad faith arguments, though.

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23 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 14h
Was BIP-110 avoidable?
How specifically do you mean that?

why use verbose script when politic also grug

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104 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 21h
Was BIP-110 avoidable?

no

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Luke himself seems to have bought into this narrative and has developed quite the savior complex.

When I wrote back in winter that Roger Ver = Luke Dashjr for this cycle, I felt a LITTLE bad (#1525907). That was too much, right?

In hindsight: nope it absolutely correct. Spot on. Aaaaand look at all these other people who agree with me!

Every few cycles Bitcoin is attacked by some megalomaniac character with a savior complex thinking they are uniquely situated to rescue Bitcoin from some existential threat. As we’re living through one of those attacks right now, looking back at the deranged ramblings of a loud loser from the previous fight is quite revealing.

In the eight years since the blocksize wars concluded, the debate over what happened has never been more relevant. In Hijacking Bitcoin, Roger Ver, the infamous character known as “Bitcoin Jesus” — cue savior complex — laid out his account for what happened.
The more I read Hijacking Bitcoin, the clearer it becomes that Luke Dashjr has turned into this cycle's Roger Ver: a religious fervor against imagined threats, a twisted logic that includes words with nonstandard definitions, an obsession with a nefariously captured Bitcoin Core, and Peter Todd being the original villain (claims Ver) and a bad actor (says Dashjr).
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Weird thing to say, but it gives me immense satisfaction to read what appears to be human writing.

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that's not weird... very predictable, value/appreciating going to what's scarce

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fuck, 38 min read.

Alright, that's my Monday night -.-

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104 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 21h
38 min read

after I stopped pasting copy into a speedreading script and returned to reliance on "Reader Mode" of regular browsers, I began comparing these estimates

honestly, I find them worse than useless, because my anger at some dumb data wrangler calculating the mode and lopping off all tails for the sake of putting some single number on screen, rather than a range... at best, such impotent rage merely distracts from what was I gonna read anyway?


there's an entire scene in Snow Crash about fingerprinting of an employee's reading pace to determine whether the human is actually reading the memo... no points for guessing which bureaucracy fears lack of comprehension, trusts that "biometric", and even budgets for deploying the spyware.

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