Kidney disease is super common worldwide, and the wait for a transplant can take years. If you really think about it, it’s not like there aren’t enough kidneys, everyone could be a donor, it’s just the laws. Lately, I haven’t heard much news, but a few years back, it wasn’t uncommon to hear someone got kidnapped and had a kidney taken. Are we seriously missing a chance to improve people’s health and give them more freedom of choice?
Yeah, why not?64.0%
Nope, that’s disgusting.24.0%
Yeah, only if it’s for buying Bitcoin.12.0%
I’m not sure.0.0%
25 votes
Voted "nope" because
akidney means it includes me knocking you out, butchering you up and selling yours. Also, am more a proponent of 3D-printing the spares.Doesn’t that already happen?
I think it’s not even possible yet!
Sure but you asked a "should", not an "is"
It's under development.
I don’t get it. What’s the difference?
"should" means do you think this is desirable
"is" (or "can" or "could") means do you think it (potentially) happens regardless of being desirable
I personally don't think that second hand body parts is something that is desirable if we can develop the means to produce artificial replacements.
even we develop artificial replacements, people should be able to sell their organs
one reason I am not an organ donor is that donors or their estate should be compensated
Oh, just because I don't think it's desirable, doesn't mean it should be forbidden. Better to just make it obsolete.
Yes… And what problems do you think that will occur when implementing and executing the selling of kidneys?
Haven’t really thought much about it, but I’m just seeing possible health issues for whoever’s selling. You see any problems?
The standard objection is that poor desperate people will permanently maim themselves to alleviate their temporary financial stress.
But that’s each person’s decision, right? I don’t think other people should get to decide what’s best for me. Same thing with euthanasia.
I’m just relaying the main objection. I believe in self-ownership, so if you want to chop parts off and sell them, Godspeed.
Should sellers go through some orientation/class that educates them on side effects and all types of related issues that may arise after kidney being removed?
Or any type of screening that rules certain types?
I could imagine liability on the side of buyers for not disclosing risks that would lead them to do something like that.
Yea the health of the individual selling it and also the recipient’s body could reject the kidney. If it’s rejected I don’t know if at that point the kidney turns bad.
I guess a kidney that’s rejected by someone could be transplanted again if it’s not too messed up, but that’s just me guessing, I’m not sure.
Yes that sounds about right
Your body! But AI is going to be cloning your own organs soon. Skin cell, to stem cell, to lung, kidney etc. which is good since autonomous cars are safer than texting humans and so organ donations will go down.
Evil humans will exploit this. I know a black market exists but just imagine how crazy this can get if we had a regulated organ exchange.
Boiling down the human existence to price brings us closer and closer to Marxism!
We see the frauds and scams perpetuating with Bitcoin and centralized exchanges because all crimes need exit liquidity.
I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't think it could get any worse, honestly, the opposite. Setting up rules for this stuff usually makes things better. Same goes for euthanasia and abortion. Going underground is always worse.
Ehh but those things aren’t a capital good.
Both actions lead to destruction because the customer is looking to get rid of something.
But kidneys have tremendous value. It’s useful good. Even with rules what’s stopping a corporation raising money and offering kidneys at scale?
I vote "Yeah, Why Not"
I have always had an issue with the saying "You can give it away for free but you can't sell it". It is either your body or someone else owns your body.
who sold be allowed to tell me I can't sell a kidney?
For sure!
Feels like the ban never stopped the black market anyway, it just made everything more dangerous.
good point
Yeah, that’s the pattern in a lot of bans — demand doesn’t disappear, it just moves underground and becomes riskier.
Allowed by who?
Bitcoiners are "sovereign" "individuals" until interrogated, at which point they often reveal their immense desire to be ruled by a State so powerful, for all intents and purpose, with the enforcement of moral codes, why not call it God? 🫢
Darth, is that you?
Lol, no. This is completely untrue, sorry.
Yeah, I didn’t word that right. I meant apart from old people, kids, and sick people.
there is no universal matching organ donor
also no one will buy an organ from a senior citizen unless it’s a discount
if someone is terminally ill they have a greater incentive to sell their healthy organs before they atrophy