Paul Sztorc is out with an announcement this morning that he is creating a new Bitcoin fork called eCash (and wow! how did he get ecash.com?)
Here's some more details from his X announcement:
Our L1 Node...Codewise, the L1 will remain compatible with Bitcoin Core:
- is a near-copy of Bitcoin Core.
- is Sha256d mined.
- forks via a one-time difficulty-reset -- to its minimum value. (So, mining will be crazy at first.)
- Yes, we will change the seed nodes, the name, the network magic, etc.
- We will continue to merge their changes (even the bad ones).
- The L1 will activate Bip300/301 via CUSF -- the core untouched soft fork. So, no lines of code will be changed, on the L1.
- The activation client will be published periodically (link below).
- We will do several bug bounty contests this summer.
- The client will be frozen 30 days prior to the fork.
And, of course: drivechains:
Yes, there will be Drivechains:
- We have 7 in developement right now.
- Users can also submit their own.
- Drivechain is a vision of "competing L2s" -- this avoids the "dev capture" problem.
- These L2s are all Merged Mined. Miners automatically get free $.
- Our L2s are already capable of planetary scale, and onboarding 8 billion users.
- We also have a zCash-like L2, with strong privacy.
- Other L2s: Truthcoin (Prediction Markets), CoinShift (Decentralized Exchange), BitAssets (NFT etc), BitNames (Identity), Photon (Quantum Resistant).
Sztorc draws these distinctions with the BCH fork:
Unlike BCH (the 2017 fork):
- There is no "Bitcoin" in the name. New name, new brand.
- You are getting advanced warning (4 months).
- We are replaying all txns (at first). We will release a coin-splitter tool.
- This is a permanent & sustainable fix to Bitcoin's problems (instead of a 1 MB to 8 MB temporary fix).
- Back in 2017, the BTC tech stack was strong, and expectations for Lightning were strong. Today, it is the reverse.
Here's a screenshot of the ecash.com webpage:
Here are a few details from their FAQ:
Which exchanges will support this coin?
First, we do not need any exchanges to “list” it at all. Our software allows you to swap eCash for a number of existing coins (BTC, LTC, XMR, USDT). So, you can first use an exchange to buy BTC, and then swap it cryptographically for eCash.
Second, our project's L1 is a clone of Bitcoin Core. So it should be very easy for exchanges to use.
Third, we are a hard fork. So, any user with BTC on an exchange (at the time of the fork), will suddenly also “own” eCash. But this eCash will be credited to the exchange. This puts the exchange in an awkward position: either the exchange will “steal” this money for themselves (not likely), or they will credit their users. The easiest way for them to credit their users, is to just list the coin.
Fourth, our hardfork uses “full transaction replay”. Meaning: even after the two chains split apart, 99% of the new txns will be “replayed” (since they are valid on both networks). For regular users this is harmless. But for exchanges, it may be illegal – when a user withdraws BTC, exchanges might accidentally send them an equal amount of eCash (without realizing it). Our software makes it easy to control this – but if the exchange is already going to integrate with our software, and track it in their accounting system, then they may decide to just list the coin. (Especially if other exchanges have already listed it.)
But won't the hashrate be low? How do you prevent a 51% attack (from BTC miners, for example)?
Several reasons:
Notably, BitcoinSV was never 51% attacked. Even though Bitcoiners hated it and its hashrate was very low (less than 0.5%).
When the network is young, users are more forgiving of “checkpointing”. (After all, the creation of the network is itself a checkpoint.) The possibility of checkpointing, serves as an effective deterrent.
Such an attack would draw more attention to the project (ie, the Streisand Effect).
BTC miners are hard to wrangle. Already they are too lazy to act in their own financial interest. So why would they suddenly act in a risky, expensive way for no benefit?
Since eCash is Sha256d mined, the more likely outcome is that 256d miners support eCash. If eCash does well, then their ASICs increase in value.
Here's a fun one from @calle
source
https://twiiit.com/callebtc/status/2047831467976245553
and yes, there will be a premine:
source
Here is current SEC guidance on pre-mines:
So the legality of this is going to depend on are any "collaborators" putting up cash to fund this initiative. If they are, and that comes out, this could present legal challenges.
and just like Satoshi, the investors will be able to spend privately... so, maybe legality won't have much weight
its a fantastic gambit. and I highly recommend digging through the 'why?' section of the page.
I really hope this sticks, it will be good competition
Wait so he stole the name ecash from those dudes that forked from BCH and stole miner fees
And he backports a feature from BSV that also forked from BCH to "redistribute" patoshi coin?
Can someone tell Sztorc to sync up with an ntp pool of his choice? It's 23 days past April 1st.
Taking my words right out of my mouth.
He must be backed by someone that has deep pockets.
But it’s been a while since someone tried to hard fork.
Overall I don’t hate it or love it. I think Paul got tired of trying to brute force his ideas on to the main project so he’s taking his code and investor and forking. Aka rage quitting.
Yes, this was always going to happen.
ok byeeeeeee. We won't miss ya
duplicate & spend half of the duplication.
meanwhile, satoshi can spend the other half of the copied set, privately on the ZK chain.
none of the other airdrops enabled that.
OK boomer
enjoy your snark, bro. the rest of us are excited to rugpull the bankers
400kb blocksize... that's gonna be a big fucking YES from me dog
you really think this rugpulls bankers?
What makes you think that 400 kilobyte blocks will increase centralization?
the only argument about smaller block size decreasing centralization i think of off the top of my head is smaller chain size therefore easier to maintain your own node
thats cool but at the cost of 'reassigning coins' and pre launch investments aka premines.
yeah naw.
there is literally nothing stopping a larger 'banker' entity (m assuming you are referring to the finance bros and the ETF stuff) from getting into this if they wanted.
paul wants drivechains and has for years.
for the longest he tried to convince other and get it into bitcoin.
he must of had enough of it, and just decided to fork.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE TO DO.
you want some stupid fucking rules in bitcoin.
fork it and let the market decide.
so good for him.
enjoy your centralized shitcoin
https://twiiit.com/Truthcoin/status/2047647106739953692
should I sell my ecash to get minimally more Bitcoin or is it not worth my time
I guess there is also a risk because it would reveal my preimages on Bitcoin or p2pkh
When you send coins from a forkcoin that has replayable transactions, first split the coins on the two networks so they are no longer replayable, then move your Bitcoins to fresh addresses (better yet, fresh wallet), then sell your forkcoin.
That said, given the broadly tepid reception Drivechains have had for over a decade, I can’t imagine that it will be worth your time to sell them.
interesting, thx
There goes eCash's reputation down the drain!
etrash is as etrash does
eTrustodial? JS?
ECash is fully custodial IOUs
Not going to bother getting into Paul's newest LARP, he's been off the deep end for years.
Two things:
Who is this? And why he love drivechains so much
Paul Sztorc has been in bitcoin for a very long time and has been advocating for drivechains for a very long time.
He is one of the authors of BIP 300: Hashrate Escrows (Consensus layer) and BIP 301: Blind Merged Mining (Consensus layer), which together are considered the Drivechain BIPs.
He runs LayerTwo Labs which has been advocating for Drivechains since 2022 (at least).
You can find more info about Sztorc at his website: https://www.truthcoin.info/
My impression is that he is one of these curious cases in bitcoin where an idea isn't quite accepted by the mainstream and therefore gets actively shunned, instead of just not being popular. That being said, Sztorc speaks at bitcoin conferences and his voice is hardly absent from the discourse.
Mostly, it seems that the main bitcoin crowd is worried that drivechains will introduce weird incentives into mining.
I've met him and found him to be very kind and reasonable, but I didn't talk about drivechains.
2014, I think. That's why most people I know are pretty tired of this endless drama - 12 years ffs. Glad for it to end. Paul can now be safely muted for cause.
Didn't know about that - also because all the satoshi finding made me wary of digging into people too much and instead I wanted to judge by the code and the proposals alone, especially early on. Later, following the money made sense - I never wondered about Paul though, must admit, simply because no new proposals came out.
I thought it was much longer, but I couldn't find a date on LayerTwo Labs (in my very brief survey) so I just grabbed the creation date off their twitter.
To my memory it restarted from being a Paul-only-thing to a wider thing.
I didn't mind his proposal in the early days when he made it. Now, I dislike his proposal. Not because the proposal changed, but because of the endless drama because it didn't make it. Imagine paying attention to every idea that didn't make it that anyone ever had. Sometimes, you gotta move on, and I strongly feel this is one of those times.
That they can't let it go and are going the shitcoiner route... fine. Let them. Hopefully this is the last thing I ever hear of it.
Where can I sell my Bitcon ecash coins? Haha
there's a drivechain for that, but you can only use it if you self-custody
you might want to save some tho in case it catches on
There will probably be an initial wave of selling and then an insider pump and dump at some point.
I held on to BCash for awhile before selling it.
gonna be fun to watch. I'll probably hold mine, and turn the s19 back on for a week to see what happens
Supertestnet weighs in:
source
https://twiiit.com/SuperTestnet/status/2047693493078790439
i_see_this_as_an_absolute_win.MEME
the in-fighting continues. Please exile this guy, too.
What a scam, who is this guy?
airdrop!
Unlikely to get any traction. I guess if it goes ahead you could use some to play around like another testnet.
Ain’t they gonna let you do the opposite? (eCash -> BTC)
This is a post where I listen and learn.
Someone should tell Paul that setting up letsencrypt certificate is easy and free of charge.
dividend season
https://twiiit.com/Truthcoin/status/2047639261453680838
Very interesting