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Miss Toothfairy is out in the FT actually talking sense for once. Accidentally, so, I should say because she’s out for orange (well, also golden…) blood.

...she just happens to be right that both assets have sucked donkey arse (..."recently," "for now," lower your tp, bruh -- whatever)

In the good old days, you could rely on it to rise in times of severe geopolitical or market stress, as people sought a haven. Sure, you can paint your own adventure on to gold, and make a case for buying it when yields are falling (less opportunity cost for buying a non-yielding asset); or when yields are rising (dollar debasement, inflation hedge); or honestly whatever you like. But you knew that gold loves fear, fear loves gold.

And then weird stuff happened to gold’s financial relationships:

As I’ve written (and said), gold has been behaving much more like a risk asset, a chancy bet rather than a safe retreat. As central bank buying gave way to retail excitement, the traditional inverse correlation between gold and real interest rates broke down.

“Exuberance, not fear, drove gold and silver up to extraordinary heights at the start of this year”“Exuberance, not fear, drove gold and silver up to extraordinary heights at the start of this year”

Stocks recovered from the Iran shock, and then some, but gold is stuck in a rut. And in the past few days, as tech stocks have been whacked, gold has been whacked with them. Tails you lose, heads you also lose?

Yup, just altogether crap.


= conclusion? “the fizzy speculative moment has passed and it’s likely to go nowhere for a while.”

The Bitcoin section is even more sad…round-trip in two years, all just a silly Trump play.The Bitcoin section is even more sad…round-trip in two years, all just a silly Trump play.

Actually, it’s even worse than that, bitcoin hitting 61k in 2021 and, checks notes, sitting at 61k today, freakin’ 5 years and an inflationary mania later. Pathetic, underwhelming, orange dreams dead etc.

Toothfary’s colleage (Hakyung Kim) goes “Crypto defenders are quick to say that the sell-off is prompted by the prospect of higher-for-longer interest rates, which will kill speculative appetite. “

…of course, we blame Saylor for the collapse (#1504544 #1504781)

When we wrote about the crypto winter in December, when bitcoin was still trading at about $90,000, crypto defenders had pointed fingers for its decline at the Bank of Japan’s rate increase and the unravelling of the yen carry trade. Rates and liquidity are always the convenient explanation when bitcoin falls, but the real issue is that it has no fundamental value.

Or that.

Unhedged has long thought that bitcoin is a purely speculative asset. Are retail investors coming around to our view? Maybe, but a more likely explanation is that the retail risk junkies are speculating elsewhere.

Speculating bs is funnier elsewhere: AI, SpaceX, prediction markets. #1504781

“Who needs bitcoin?”“Who needs bitcoin?”

Dude has a point.


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Ok boomer

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Sick burn

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You have a very small garden, sir.

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woaaah, dude, that's like, soooo profound.

How many coffees can you get for that?

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sitting at 61k today, freakin’ 5 years and an inflationary mania later. Pathetic, underwhelming, orange dreams dead etc.

Perhaps a better way to look at it... Is just to say bitcoin is a good store of value at 60k. But not a very good store at 120k.

Because that's essentially what you're saying, no?

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I suppose so.

But we have inflationary pressures, so 60k five years ago ain't the same as 60k today.

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The crazy thing is I want to keep buying more bitcoin.
Am I wrong?

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would seem so, yea. Surely you should just buy SpaceX and lolz your way to the bank, yes? #1506664

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I don't know how to buy spacex. What I buy I want to 95% buy and hold, I haven't studied spacex at all... Much less hundreds of hours. And bitcoin I can actually own your keys your coins etc. Whereas Spacex shares trade through a brokerage. I know how much bitcoin will ever exist, I have no idea how much spacex will exist. I can buy lunch with bitcoin how do I do that with spacex or custody the shares myself

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85 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 11 Jun

Lucky you never need to pay for anything up there in Nordheaven.

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yeeeesssh. Communism ftw

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Who needs gold and Bitcoin when 40 year old memory card companies trade at 100x sales?

Haven't you heard about AI?

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53 sats \ 1 reply \ @nkmg1c 11 Jun

I gather you're being sarcastic but anyone that bought some MU before it exploded is probably very happy about their AI stock

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I was referring to sandisk. I might have exaggerated the price to sales a bit. haha. I actually think MU is a good company that was undervalued for a time. Although it is massively overvalued now.

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Who needs bitcoin

It does seem like if what you need is more zeroes after the numbers in your bank/retirement account, bitcoin isn't providing what you need.

If you need access to money that nobody can stop you from using, bitcoin may provide what you need.

If you need money that saves you from inflation, it doesn't seem like bitcoin is what you need...but I think our timeframes may be distorting things (que that spiky chart of the price of gold in Germany a hundred years ago).

I'm still happy with the orange coin. (perhaps because I don't know what else to be happy about)

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I'm still happy with the orange coin. (perhaps because I don't know what else to be happy about)

as our lord savior and benefactor Undisc says, it's the expectations, bruh!

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I say it but you live it

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I try my Scandi best!

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😂

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What’s driving the price down?What’s driving the price down?

Last Friday, bitcoin fell below $60,000 for the first time since late 2024, capping a week of nearly 20% losses. Bitcoin is now down roughly 50% from its all-time high last October.

There’s no single explanation for bitcoin’s price decline. Instead, a few stories are converging at once. Below, we break down the two that matter most, plus a handful of smaller factors adding to the pressure.

1. Doubts about bitcoin’s biggest buyer1. Doubts about bitcoin’s biggest buyer

2. AI is pulling capital out of all other asset classes2. AI is pulling capital out of all other asset classes

Other contributing factors to the selloff:Other contributing factors to the selloff:

https://river.com/content/whats-driving-bitcoins-crash

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