Following on from my post #1499455 yesterday
We have Will Damus and Matt Odell going at it again
And a seperate side beef is a Nostr user going by the tag of Fuckstr, was being muted by primal apparently, with many npubs speaking up for him
Leading to a debate about whether clients like primal are actually fully decentralized if certain users can be banned effectively
It seems to me that Nostr has never gained any real world adoption and the devs involved are feeling the realisation after all these years of grinding
The stresses are culminating in a monumental circle jerk bitch fest with a death spiral argument ensuing
Anyone with financial skin in the game is starting to blame like the spidermans meme
Mad to watch this meltdown in real time
#1499789 just saw, sorry bro you got in first 😅
I just checked with my relay and it didn't reply despite repetitive poking. I guess that that means that it dgaf about what people publish in kind-1 notes on other relays, what primal decides to do, or any of that shit.
If you want to have an open, decentralized protocol, and not be a gatekeeping authority, be ready to not have any control. Wasn't that an explicit design goal?
It doesn't matter what anyone does with an open protocol.
All clients are decentralized, some clients are more decentralized than others brev
All clients individually are rather centralized and most of them are
co-authored-byby the same "dev"... check the commits, the majority mentions Claude. I don't even have a real working client right now without anti-features and security issues. Heck... I run my signer in avm.But the protocol is open, all implementations together cause decentralization, and you can just make your own client. Kind 0/1/3 isn't hard to implement, it's a saturday project for a human and 1-2 single-shot prompts for a bot.
So it doesn't really matter what anyone says. If all of them go have makeup buttsex on an island tomorrow and we nuke it, we can still use nostr.
Sounds like a plan 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The hippie in me says that if they go do the former, it'd be only fair if we won't do the latter. Under the condition that what happens on the island, stays on the island.
Deal! And if anyone broadcasts a note about it, primal can just censor it 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly. And remove the video from their blossom server.
Primal is not nostr. Is just a twitter clone. Never like it.
Is not worth this drama.
Always use multiple clients.
Which ones are really doing something useful right now?
Fountain is the only one that comes to mind.
I mean, I had to stop using it because it was so buggy for actually doing its main function. Listen to podcasts. I love their innovative Nostr stuff but I finally had enough.
I use nostr more in private communication than in public....
few understand this difference.
Nostr private use - run your own private relay, only for people you want to communicate with, use specific clients / apps to send messages
Nostr public use - use public relays to post stupid memes. If they censor you it doesn't matter, you do not lose anything.
NOSTR IS NOT TWATTER !
Sincerely I do not care too much about this "social" part of nostr.
I like more the part that people don't see it (yet) - nwc, private chats, nostr market and all other services that you can use.
This drama of censoring iin a client s meaningless.
I use this social part mostly to post memes. All this drama that nostr is not used (as twatter) is totally useless.
Users and devs should focus on using nostr as a communication gateway for bitcoin, not to have dramas and useless discussions like on twatter.
Anyways Primal and Damus sucks both.
Good point on NWC. That's been a really useful application of the protocol.
And CLINK. Some of these services are really undersatted.
Just think how powerful is nostr market. You are free to trade with whoever you want, nobody can censor you.
Crying about being censored on a client/relay is udeless
And nmail, I've used that loads recently
I haven't tried that yet. What's the advantage to regular email?
There are 2 aspects to look when you start using Nmail.
Advantages?
Is still in early phase but is promising and the dev seems to be working continuously to improve it.
Take back your inbox. Private, decentralized mail that you truly own.
Today, your email address belongs to a big company. They can scan your data, show you ads, or even close your account. This app changes that. It gives you a personal mailbox that belongs only to you, on a network that no one can shut down or control.
It looks and feels like the email you already know, but with a major difference: you are the only one with the key to your messages.
from their git
Also this guide from darth.... #1456328
nostrvpn too very cool idea
ooo add FIPS and Nostr VPN to the list too
Good point, fountain is very cool ux 🫡
Who is debating if primal is decentralized? It hella isnt 😂
people who can't explain the difference between mastodon and rabbitmq
Perhaps. There seems to be less energy in Bitcoin in general (everybody is pivoting to AI, right?) so you may be right about this. But I suspect it's a good thing over all. If the tools we build are not being used, we need to figure out how to make them something people do want to use.
Probably, the majority of people care less about decentralized social media than they care about decentralized money -- which, judging by the popularity of STRC, ETFs, and custodial accounts, is not very much.
Do you use nostr more than other social media? If not, why not?
This great AI rollout could see a massive bubble burst, just like yes you guessed it the dotcom bubble
When the great Internet rollout happened in the 90s, giants like aol, yahoo and the companies who layed the telecom cables across the oceans died off and left the base infrastructure for aws meta and google to scoop it up
Maybe we'll see the same with AI with all these data centres built out and then the likes of open ai anthropic etc die off for the next generation to scoop up
Now, controversial but could we see the same in Bitcoin and Nostr? A massive price crash would purge speculative leverage, leaving a pristine hyper secure global settlement network ready for institutional or state level adoption
Similarly with Nostr, an implosion of clients would leave a decentralized network to be scooped up by the next generation?
Who knows, in answer to your question, I'm SN, Nostr 1st and use twitter rarely and never post, guilty pleasure is a bit of TikTok 🤣🤣
It doesn't work like that
This isn't even custodial money, its shares of bitcoin that never moves that you don't have the keys for.
What's the point of that?
They are not pivoting to AI. They are pivoting to buying AI shares... That's what they are pivoting to.
Because the interface is terrible, the only interesting thing on nostr is esoteric bitcoin technical discussion, and you have to look for that, and most of the conversations and posts are very low effort/low quality especially in the last year or so.
I suspect that at the beginning of Twitter or Reddit the posts were relatively low effort/ quality. People are people afterall, and most of us are dumb. The curious thing is that nostr had a initial burst from bitcoiners interested in decentralization and then it got a burst from Jack and yet it still didn't thrive. BitcoinTalk managed to thrive -- was this because it was the only place to talk about bitcoin?
This cold start problem is not exactly new. But it may still be a mystery. Bitcoin kinda made it through the problem, nostr probably hasn't -- SN certainly hasn't.
Jack only wanted to make an alternative to twatter... in other words another place where people can fight online for nothing.
People looking to nostr as a social media protocol, they are wrong. Nostr is something different.
must be the bear market
Bull or bear market, bitcoin's fundamentals don't change
As fan of JB and Odell it sucks to see the flame war get this outta control.
It sucks not getting users but I thought the protocol was bigger than profits.
Nostr only got attention because of Jack Dorsey and his philanthropy. Once that dried up so did the development into making it a stable product. A twitter clone was always going to be tough to replace especially with the massive spam problem nostr has.
Odell took a risk plowing money into primal and the pressure might be heating up to have a sustainable application.
Sucks to see this happen but I also been critical of Odell of his critique on STRC and in the same breath championing bitcoin backed loans.
Odell is just another bootlicker posing as bitcoiner.
Say what you mean Darth 🤣🤣🤣
Try Pubky. The protocol architecture far superior to Nostr, and it's actually decentralised (uses Kademlia).
More info here: https://pubky.tech/
I imploded
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I have very few followers but I notice between Damus and Iris it is able to find my post history