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267 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 15 Apr \ parent \ on: Should you have to pay to mute on SN (and do other things too)? meta econ

sum(log10()) was great but it relied on counting people, because it favors sybils, and we counted people via trust, which is not perfect either.

I think we all want something democracy-like. As media/news consumers, we want to know what consensus is. Whether we realize it or not, we want algorithms to count people. On the internet, absent KYC, there are few if any objective ways to do that.

Bitcoin's consensus relies on bottom-up economic activity to achieve consensus but, unlike SN, economic activity is the point of bitcoin.

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231 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 15 Apr
but it relied on counting people, because it favors sybils

I remember - we discussed it when you shipped no-trust and it makes sense that in lieu of anti-sybil mechanics there is no such dampening possible on rank.

As media/news consumers, we want to know what consensus is.

Yes, and this is why it's worth talking about this. I still agree with reputation being a potentially useful tool in this, just it is hard to meet both that and your ELI5 requirement for post ranking, and then to make it non-hierarchical, avoid bubbles / winner-takes-it-all schemes.

I'm still running my mute experiment. I prolonged it because it's bliss. I have not muted any new bots though, and I'm considering removing the existing ones from my list. That wasn't what made this bliss. What did was muting "top" stackers that waste my time. Probably I am wasting yours, so feel free to mute me if I am bothering you. Or just say "zip it opti" - I can handle it.

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177 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 15 Apr
I still agree with reputation being a potentially useful tool in this

Reputation, as we've defined it, seems to differ from trust in that it isn't subjective. But not being subjective, and with SN being retardedly transparent, that makes it more gameable than trust. So in the ideal of either reputation or WoT we have a dilemma: gameability vs subjectivity.

Or just say "zip it opti" - I can handle it.

Nah! I've found our chats informative. You hold ideals and pragmatics in superposition (as do many stackers) while also understanding uniquely digital problems well.

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