I obvs don't care about the war and the silly mainstream media coverage of it... (DOWNZAP ME, BITCHES!!) but I do care about a cool econ history conundrum about tolls and waterways
There's a looong-af history tolls and middlemen...and the avoidance thereof!
Even the Erie Canal is a way to unleash the interior of America's grain and cattle production to the world... though there, the tax and toll isn't imposed by a foreign power but by nature itself (thus, God??)
In the late 18th century a vessel carrying about 50 tonnes of wheat passed through the Dardanelles to modern-day Ukraine. To transit the strait with that modest cargo, the merchant Apaştaş Parasara knew he would have to pay the Ottomans a fee for safe passage. [...] The duty, called İzn-i sefînei, was about 300 akçe, according to historical records, a measure of silver equivalent to about $15,000 today. It formed part of an elaborate series of tolls and permissions that the Ottomans levied on ships traversing to what they considered their private inland lake, the Black Sea.
Modern maritime law explicitly forbids states from charging ships to pass through territorial waters. But that has not stopped Iran, 230 years later, from saying that it will levy fees of up to $2mn for ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz, a previously open waterway through which more than a fifth of the world’s seaborne oil and gas transit.
oh no, don't break the holy iiinttteeernational laaaaw. It's like the whole point of tons of cities growing up around natural fortifications and toll-passage like that -> including the very Istabul/Konstantinople that opened the tale.
Since Iran has sought to exert control over the strait, parallels have been drawn with other narrow waterways that charge fees of various sorts such as the Bosphorus in Istanbul or the Suez and Panama canals.
Outside specific treaties, the only country to have exerted financial control over a strait for an extended period is Denmark, which from about 1429 applied tolls on the Øresund. Ships were required to stop at Elsinore, the backdrop for William Shakespeare’s Hamlet, and pay 1-5 per cent of their cargo value to the Danish crown.
Stupid map they include, there, of my homelands, given that in 1429 that portion of "Sweden" was Danish... (and it remains, we might say, naturally Danish!)
this is kind of a diplomatic ridiculousness... yea, that's a toll/tax/customs duty-whatever-the-fuck-you-wanna-call it:
Experts suggest the Bosphorus, a Turkish territorial waterway, is the nearest comparison to Hormuz. It is governed by the Montreux Convention, which allows Ankara to charge ships not for transit but for lighthouse, health inspection and rescue services, calculated based on net tonnage. The revenues amount to about $250mn from ships that do not dock.
What makes the Strait of Hormuz unique compared to all of the other examples is that the Iranians “have only got one side”, whereas the other countries control both sides of the waterways, said Helen Doe, maritime historian at the University of Exeter.
“There have always been historical clashes because of these chokepoints,” she added.“There have always been historical clashes because of these chokepoints,” she added.
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The only having one side bit does seem pretty relevant. I mean, the UK has one side of the English Channel...
But also enforcing such a toll seems like it would be difficult. Options are: shoot at people who don't pay your toll?
In Iran's case, yes.
Which is also why it might be harder for the US to enforce its blockade than for Iran to. Would the US really fire at a Chinese flagged vessel who docks at at an Iranian port to pick up fuel?
The asymmetric nature of the conflict frustrates me. I don't support the US's actions, but it also feels like we're dealing with a side that gives less of a s*** if it fires on civilians. Maybe that's just the nature of a conflict with a massive asymmetry in hard power
I thought so too
One is tempted to say these are pure monopolies, not subject to traditional forces of market competition, due to their geographical uniqueness. There is only one Strait of Hormuz, and you cannot construct another Strait of Hormuz to compete on price and quality with the one that already exists.
That being said, it did make me think of alternatives and substitutes. Even though there's only one Strait of Hormuz, there are multiple alternatives of getting goods from point A to point B, even if the alternatives are currently worse.
But if the chokepoint monopolist degrades the quality of passing through the chokepoint by too much, which Iran clearly is doing, then the people will start to develop the alternatives more fully. Over the long run, this could erode the chokepoint monopolist's position.
I wonder if we have historical examples of exactly that: the chokepoint becoming so bothersome to use that better alternatives get developed, leading to a decline in the power and status of the chokepoint holder.
yup, plenty. And give it enough time, we'll (well, them peoples, over there) will build pipelines and all manner of things to get the oil passed the gatekeepers
I don't know the exact histories, but some of the tweets I link (the German canals, the Swedish ones) and obviously the Europeans going around the Cape of Good Hope being prime examples
Iran already has the direct rail link to Xian China, which is scheduled to expand to Turkey and then into Europe as part of the belt and road Chinese global infrastructure program.
While the rail route may not be capable of carrying a lot of oil or gas it can carry other supplies.
It is not as if Iran and China have not prepared for this invasion.
The stated purpose of the toll is war reparations which seems perfectly reasonable and ostensibly not permanent either.
The economic value of peace would be significant for the entire region- in fact the world, but it seems USA and its petrodollar dare not allow free trade because USA cannot compete on such a footing.
USA is engaged in multiple blockages globally blocking Russian, Venezuelan and now Iranian oil, so that it can charge 10X the price for US LNG exports.
Chevron is a global rentseeking oil baron.
Donald Trump is owned by Chevron.
https://twiiit.com/GripenNews/status/2043378375507448296
The war must be a considerable boost to Danish oil based wealth.
You must be confusing it with Norway
No.
How well do you understand the economy of your homeland?
'Denmark has produced oil and gas from the Danish part of the North Sea since 1972. Oil and gas production still contributes significantly to state revenue. Thus, the tax revenue, exports and profits generated by the oil and gas sector have had a major impact on the Danish economy and helped build the Danish welfare state.
Denmark has been a net exporter of oil and natural gas since 1997.
In the past 50 years, oil companies have invested vast sums in the exploration, development and operation of Danish oil and gas fields. Moreover, the oil and gas activities have created workplaces for numerous people on the oil and gas platforms in the Danish part of the North Sea and in onshore offices.
Oil and gas production in the North SeaOil and gas production in the North Sea
Over the past 50 years, oil companies have invested in the exploration, development, and operation of Danish oil and gas fields.
There are 21 oil and gas fields in the Danish part of the North Sea, contributing to the Danish production. TotalEnergies is the operator of 15 of the producing fields, while INEOS is the operator of five fields and Wintershall Nordzee is operating of one field. In total 57 platforms are in operation
Furthermore, there are seven fields that have not yet been developed, and therefore have no production yet. TotalEnergies operates four of these, INEOS is the operator of one field and Petrogas Denmark Aps the operator on two fields.'
https://ens.dk/en/energy-sources/about-oil-and-gas
BTW the only significant downzapping lately has come from those 'bitches' seeking to silence-censor any discussion of the topic!
See- #1464032 for example!
'The other countries' are constructs of western imperialism...as is nearly all of the middle east and Africa...specifically constructed and designed to enable resource hegemony over them.
Iran has dared to challenge that model and practice self determination since in 1979 it ousted the puppet regime installed by the CIA and MI6 in 1953.
What about war reparations?
USA and Israel invaded a sovereign nation in contravention of international law- seeking to seize Irans natural resources and along the way threatening to wipe out Irans entire culture.
Iran estimates a minimum of $270 billion in damage to its infrastructure.
This surely at the minimum deserves reparations to be paid.
The British Empire only finally lost its monetary dominance as a result of the Suez canal conflict with Egypt when USA refused to back the British attack on Egypt after Egypt nationalised the Suez.
Most of the world is now looking on and seeing the USA as an unreliable and increasingly desperate declining power...of declining value as a strategic partner let alone ally.
Nobody wants to assist in the Hormuz blockade because it comes after such a series of war crimes and blatant disregard for international law and common decency.
The Blockade of Hormuz could be Americas Suez canal crisis- the end of its global hegemony.