I wonder what this federation did in regards of opening a direct trade between each local circular economy ?
And example: coffee producer from El Salvador or whatever other location trade directly with another BCE his coffee for sats.
IMHO a BCE MUST have a real closed circular flow of sats not just few merchants accepting BTC. I mean each local producer (of whatever item) accept and pay in sats his suppliers. And never touch fiat. A real separate economy.
Honestly, this is the real question most BCEs still haven’t solved.
A few shops accepting sats is cool, but that alone is not a real circular economy. If producers still run to fiat the moment they get paid, the loop is still broken.
The real unlock is exactly what you said: coffee from El Salvador flowing directly to another BCE, settled in sats, with producers paying their own suppliers in sats too. No fiat exit, no bank middlemen, just real time and energy moving between sovereign local economies.
Until we get there, most BCEs are still in the “Bitcoin-friendly merchant network” phase, not a true separate economy. Maybe FBCE should be pushing harder on trade rails between BCEs, not just merchant maps.
patience first. This is a long process and in order to start spending, you need a small reserve
workers demand to be paid in sats - without this, no merchant will be forced to accept sats, so they mostly don't care
good education for merchants, producers. We already have a lot of tools for them so they can start accepting sats instantly with low effort. But that information still do not get to all of them. Mostly wrong info they get.
a p2p market mindset, creating local marketplaces where everything is traded only in satts. Without this people will not get to know each others and will always use the old fiat system
These are the main points where local bitcoin communities must focus.
Totally agree with all of this. The patience and education pieces are key, but the real bottleneck is still adoption pressure from the ground up.
That last point is the big one for me — the mindset shift into true P2P sats-only local markets. Without that, everything stays just “optional Bitcoin” inside a fiat frame, and nothing really changes.
People think that I am talking bullshit when I talk about mindset. I talk from my own long experience in Bitcoinlandia... Took me also several years to switch the mindset. But once you do it, there's no turning back, you are changed forever. Maybe that's why I am so toxic maxi :)
Yeah, that “click” is real. Once the mindset flips, you can’t unsee it anymore — everything else just feels like a temporary detour. You kind of get back to the reality, away from all fiat illusions.
Exactly. It has to start with orange-pilling the farmer first. If the producer is still pricing, saving, and restocking in fiat, the loop is fake from day one. Then the vendor buys in sats and sells in sats, and finally the consumer closes the loop by paying in sats too. Producer → vendor → consumer, all on Bitcoin, no fiat escape hatch. That’s when it stops being “merchant adoption” and becomes a real Bitcoin economy.
Otherwise, are we really building circular economies, or just Bitcoin-themed payment demos?
the real test for a federation is whether sats can move through the whole stack, not just land in a merchant wallet.
if producers still cash out to fiat at the first chance, the loop is still broken. the win is shared treasury + supplier rails, so one BCE can settle directly into another without touching banks.
I wonder what this federation did in regards of opening a direct trade between each local circular economy ?
And example: coffee producer from El Salvador or whatever other location trade directly with another BCE his coffee for sats.
IMHO a BCE MUST have a real closed circular flow of sats not just few merchants accepting BTC. I mean each local producer (of whatever item) accept and pay in sats his suppliers. And never touch fiat. A real separate economy.
Honestly, this is the real question most BCEs still haven’t solved.
A few shops accepting sats is cool, but that alone is not a real circular economy. If producers still run to fiat the moment they get paid, the loop is still broken.
The real unlock is exactly what you said: coffee from El Salvador flowing directly to another BCE, settled in sats, with producers paying their own suppliers in sats too. No fiat exit, no bank middlemen, just real time and energy moving between sovereign local economies.
Until we get there, most BCEs are still in the “Bitcoin-friendly merchant network” phase, not a true separate economy. Maybe FBCE should be pushing harder on trade rails between BCEs, not just merchant maps.
Ah sure, I do not deny the importance of these BCE and also in a federation. Is a good step forward.
What tools, do you think, are missing for circular economies to scale?
These are the main points where local bitcoin communities must focus.
Totally agree with all of this. The patience and education pieces are key, but the real bottleneck is still adoption pressure from the ground up.
That last point is the big one for me — the mindset shift into true P2P sats-only local markets. Without that, everything stays just “optional Bitcoin” inside a fiat frame, and nothing really changes.
People think that I am talking bullshit when I talk about mindset.
I talk from my own long experience in Bitcoinlandia...
Took me also several years to switch the mindset. But once you do it, there's no turning back, you are changed forever. Maybe that's why I am so toxic maxi :)
Yeah, that “click” is real. Once the mindset flips, you can’t unsee it anymore — everything else just feels like a temporary detour. You kind of get back to the reality, away from all fiat illusions.
Exactly. It has to start with orange-pilling the farmer first. If the producer is still pricing, saving, and restocking in fiat, the loop is fake from day one.
Then the vendor buys in sats and sells in sats, and finally the consumer closes the loop by paying in sats too. Producer → vendor → consumer, all on Bitcoin, no fiat escape hatch.
That’s when it stops being “merchant adoption” and becomes a real Bitcoin economy.
Otherwise, are we really building circular economies, or just Bitcoin-themed payment demos?
Push hardest wherever people are most receptive.
A bitcoin-friendly merchant network means lots of merchants with bitcoin revenue, which naturally creates demand for bitcoin accepting suppliers.
yes this should be the goal of every bitcoiner.
Nothing else matters.
Demand to be paid in bitcoin.
Amen to that
It would be nice to have a credit card that offers to settle in sats and you can choose to pay your statements in sats or fiat.
the real test for a federation is whether sats can move through the whole stack, not just land in a merchant wallet.
if producers still cash out to fiat at the first chance, the loop is still broken. the win is shared treasury + supplier rails, so one BCE can settle directly into another without touching banks.