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232 sats \ 8 replies \ @aeonBTC 25 Mar \ on: OCEAN's Jason Hughes shares weird details about the two-block reorg bitcoin bitcoin_Mining

How does Ocean know what blocks Datum miners see and build on? I thought Datum was decentralized...As time goes on these people at Ocean who mislead people about the architecture of their pool will be exposed for the liars they are.

Its not a coincidence that these same exact people are pushing BIP110 and misleading people about spam and relay policy.

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111 sats \ 5 replies \ @Filiprogrammer 25 Mar
How does Ocean know what blocks Datum miners see and build on? I thought Datum was decentralized...As time goes on these people at Ocean who mislead people about the architecture of their pool will be exposed for the liars they are.

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Obviously they know which block a miner builds on, because they submit their shares to the pool. Nothing weird about that.

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106 sats \ 4 replies \ @aeonBTC 25 Mar

So all miners are submitting their shares to a centralized pool operator.

Hence why its not decentralized.

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111 sats \ 3 replies \ @Filiprogrammer 25 Mar

The block templates are constructed by each individual miner.

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9 sats \ 2 replies \ @aeonBTC 25 Mar

That doesn't make Ocean decentralized. Ocean has can reject the template or shares you submit to their pool server. The state can easily target Ocean and mandate conditions on what temaplates/shares they accept. This is what we call a central point of failure.

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4 sats \ 1 reply \ @Filiprogrammer 25 Mar
Ocean has can reject the template or shares you submit to their pool server. The state can easily target Ocean and mandate conditions on what temaplates/shares they accept.

Yes they could.
But they cannot stop a miner from broadcasting a valid block.

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132 sats \ 0 replies \ @aeonBTC 26 Mar

Any interventions imposed on Ocean would be enforced before any block is found. Like any centralized pool, condition can be put on the operators before anyone is even allowed to join the pool, let alone mine a block.

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9 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby OP 25 Mar

I disagree that this is connected to the filter debate. The conversation about miner centralization, while connected to some of the technical basis of the filter debate, is pretty distinct. I don't think the tribalism helps here.

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9 sats \ 0 replies \ @aeonBTC 25 Mar

I am just pointing out that the people at Ocean have no problem misleading people for their own gain.

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