pull down to refresh

I am increasingly fatigued by those who claim to be genuine Bitcoiners yet remain obsessively focused on its price in fiat currency. If you fall into this (unfortunately large) category, you should not consider yourselves Bitcoiners.
Your understanding of monetary fundamentals is virtually nonexistent; you merely ride Bitcoin opportunistically, like parasites, while your preferred currency is ultimately destined to fail: here Is what your fiat looks like in the mid/long therm with the soundest Money as the denominator:
I will never regard anyone as a Bitcoiner unless they meet at least the following minimum criteria:
  1. Self-sovereign: They maintain full control over their own private keys and avoid custodial solutions like the plague.
  2. Operate their own full node: They validate the rules independently, contributing to network robustness and ensuring they do not rely on third-party verification.
  3. Engage in mining, even on a small scale: Whether through modest hardware or lottery-style setups, they participate directly in Bitcoin’s security model.
  4. Demonstrate a deep understanding of Bitcoin’s monetary principles: They grasp scarcity, decentralization, immutability, and the separation of money from state control.
  5. Use Bitcoin in real economic activity: They transact in Bitcoin when appropriate, rather than treating it solely as a speculative asset.
  6. Contribute to the ecosystem: This may include educating others, supporting open-source development, strengthening privacy practices, or advocating for censorship-resistant infrastructure.
  7. Commit to long-term stewardship: They view Bitcoin not merely as an investment but as a technological, economic, and philosophical breakthrough that requires responsible participation.
177 sats \ 1 reply \ @plebpoet 16h
And if someone is so special as to be regarded as a “Bitcoiner”, then what? So what?
There are a lot of things one can be
reply
Indeed
reply
137 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 16h
As kids playing outside in the '60s we had an expression:
who died and made you boss?
reply
36 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 15h
Exactly. Bitcoin is for enemies. One can call everyone they don't approve of a non-bitcoiner, but can't stop them from interacting with bitcoin. So... whatever.
reply
I am increasingly fatigued by those who claim to be genuine Bitcoiners yet claim disinterest in its price in fiat currency. If you fall into this (unfortunately large) category, you should not consider yourselves Bitcoiners.
Your understanding of monetary fundamentals is virtually nonexistent; you merely virtue signal with Bitcoin opportunistically, desperately, as your self-esteem has otherwise failed.
I will never regard anyone as a Bitcoiner unless they meet at least the following minimum criteria:
  1. Self-sovereign: They maintain understanding that Bitcoin is un-controlled, and that user choice in all forms is the cure to the group-think plague.
  2. Operate as a mental node: They make up their own rules independently, contributing to network robustness by ensuring how they participate is not dictated by an arbitrary third-party.
  3. Engage in mining, even on a small scale: Whether through modest hardware or simply mining fiat at a normie job to buy Bitcoin, they participate in Bitcoin’s security model.
  4. Demonstrate a deep understanding of Bitcoin’s monetary principles: They grasp optionality.
  5. Use Bitcoin in real economic activity: They charge and discharge Bitcoin when appropriate for their needs, recognizing Bitcoin is a battery, a tool they may yield as a buffer against economic turbulence.
  6. Contribute to the ecosystem: This may include challenging orthodoxy, supporting proprietary development, disillusioning privacy larp, or advocating for parallel infrastructure.
  7. Commit to long-term stewardship: They view Bitcoin not merely as an investment, but as a return to tradition.
reply
46 sats \ 0 replies \ @unboiled 16h
Oh no.
I guess I'll just have to spend my bitcoin with other not-Bitcoiners™ then. On not-Bitcoiner-things™ like the pepper crusted ribeye I had at a not-Bitcoiner-restaurant™ an hour ago.
reply
  1. Self-sovereign: They maintain full control over their own private keys and avoid custodial solutions like the plague.
I control my own private keys, but I don't avoid custodial solutions like the plague. (0.5 pts)
  1. Operate their own full node: They validate the rules independently, contributing to network robustness and ensuring they do not rely on third-party verification.
I operate my own node, but for convenience I also sometimes use third-party verification. (0.5 pts)
  1. Engage in mining, even on a small scale: Whether through modest hardware or lottery-style setups, they participate directly in Bitcoin’s security model.
I have never mined. (0 pts)
  1. Demonstrate a deep understanding of Bitcoin’s monetary principles: They grasp scarcity, decentralization, immutability, and the separation of money from state control.
I think I can discuss this as well as anyone. (1 pts)
  1. Use Bitcoin in real economic activity: They transact in Bitcoin when appropriate, rather than treating it solely as a speculative asset.
Yes, I try to use bitcoin for real purchases whenever I can. (1 pts)
  1. Contribute to the ecosystem: This may include educating others, supporting open-source development, strengthening privacy practices, or advocating for censorship-resistant infrastructure.
I think my contributions to SN count well enough for this. (1 pts)
  1. Commit to long-term stewardship: They view Bitcoin not merely as an investment but as a technological, economic, and philosophical breakthrough that requires responsible participation.
I agree it's a technological and economic breakthrough. Not so convinced about the philosophical part. (0.67 pts)
I'm 4.67 / 7 of a true bitcoiner.
reply
0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fenix 10h
I thought this came from @cryotosensei
reply
0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 16h
Its not a philosophical breakthrough but rather the application of existing philosophies that are not new. That's what is so fascinating about bitcoin. This attempt I sometimes see to disconnect bitcoin from the ideas that predate it is silly to me.
reply
It is the only decentralised online agorithm that treats all participants equally in contrast to the proliferation of centralised algorithms that harvest data and centralise power and wealth. In this respect Bitcoin is both new, original and philosophically distinct.
reply
I knew I wasn't a maxist full Bitcoiner. Guess I gotta change my nym! 🤠
reply
maybe you are marxist
reply
reply
hahaha don't be surprised, we have such elements like marxist bitcoiners.
reply
Ouch! I’m only 6/7 of a bitcoiner
reply
67 sats \ 0 replies \ @trax 15h
Hah! six-seeven..
I'll let myself out.
reply
10 sats \ 1 reply \ @SHA256man 14h
you merely ride Bitcoin opportunistically, like parasites
did someone say parasites?!
body sovereignty is likewise disregarded by bitcoin users and normies and bitcoiners-in-name-only; try asking a random sample of people "do u own ur body?" and witness how hard they are trying to come up with an answer; 😹🐼🐍
seems like an important idea; does anyone have a counter-argument?
reply
All organisms are dependent upon their environment and ecosystem. The idea of a sovereign individual is a highly hyped illusion demonstrative of late western civilisation and its loss of appreciation for the significance of organised group hierarchies (governments) in determining the wealth of individuals and nations.
reply
0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Ge 12h
I was gonna say I check majority but check em all hi 👋 na feel ya on this message though. Reality is most people can't do all this mining for the longest time was not a thing in my world
reply
Gatekeeping and "No True Scotsman" fallacy but the list isn't wrong. I'd recalibrate it to be about being the goal of every Bitcoiner, not the minimum requirement.
reply
I don't care about bitcoin PRICE (price meaning base_asset_value/quote_asset_value ratio, where quote_asset usually is fiat USD). I care about bitcoin VALUE which grows with adoption.
And since bitcoin VALUE is highly correlated with it various prices over various quote assets you might argue that I indirectly partially care about its fiat price too. Caring about this indirect proxy metric to bitcoin value has some merit and don't blindly deter it.
reply
0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lumor 16h
Are yah winning son?
reply
reply
1sat=1sat I just checked the price
reply
0 sats \ 0 replies \ @senf 16h
Anyone who uses bitcoin is a true bitcoiner.
reply
Well to each their own. I don't let anyone's philosophy dictate what I do with my wallet. That's the true independence that really matters.
reply
Use Bitcoin in real economic activity: They transact in Bitcoin when appropriate, rather than treating it solely as a speculative asset.
This is the place where "true Bitcoiner" has to meet with reality which is not exactly pro-bitcoin.
reply
You have not enabled your LN wallet on SNs - like the legendary 'Bitcoin Maxi' hypocrit @DarthCoin you refuse to participate in one of the very few globally accessible circular economies using Bitcoin. I will never zap you, or @DarthCoin until you enable your LN wallet.
reply
Thanks. But economies is not built around forcing somebody to accept something. Cults are.
And you are deeply wrong. I just have ton of wallets.
reply
The point you fail to refute is that you CHOOSE to not participate in the bitcoin MoE circular economy on Stacker news where you have the opportunity to.
reply
You confuse monetary based signal and actual circular economy which is rather non - existing in whatever scales unless you have a podcast with listeners.
reply
No I see a hypocrit who cannot be bothered participating in an operational Bitcoin circular economy (Stacker News) when it is right under his nose...and who is actively and deliberately boycotting the opportunity.
Probably because you are more interested in hoarding/arsemiliking sats than using them as a P2P payments protocol.
reply